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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð

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Íó ÷òî... Ñ ïðàçäíèêîì, äîðîãèå ôîðóì÷àíå! Ñ ïåðâûì ìàÿ!
Íå çíàþ, ÷òî ýòî òåïåðü çà ïðàçäíèê è êàê îí íàçûâàåòñÿ, íî ôàêò - ïðàçäíèê. Ïîòîìó ÷òî âûõîäíîé!  |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà

: 10.03.2003 : 2452 : USA, New York City
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Íó ÷òî... Ñ ïðàçäíèêîì, äîðîãèå ôîðóì÷àíå! Ñ ïåðâûì ìàÿ!
Íå çíàþ, ÷òî ýòî òåïåðü çà ïðàçäíèê è êàê îí íàçûâàåòñÿ, íî ôàêò - ïðàçäíèê. Ïîòîìó ÷òî âûõîäíîé!  |
Âûõîäíîé? À ïî÷åìó ÿ òîãäà íà ðàáîòå ñèæó?
Íà äåìîíñòðàöèþ èäåøü? |
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Sanchez Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

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...Íå çíàþ, ÷òî ýòî òåïåðü çà ïðàçäíèê è êàê îí íàçûâàåòñÿ, íî ôàêò - ïðàçäíèê. Ïîòîìó ÷òî âûõîäíîé!  |
"Äåíü âåñíû è òðóäà" òåïåðü íàçûâàåòñÿ. Çäðàâñòâóé äà÷à è èçìàòûâàþùèé "îòäûõ" ñ ëîïàòîé â ðóêàõ  _________________ No fate... |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷

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Íå çíàþ, ÷òî ýòî òåïåðü çà ïðàçäíèê è êàê îí íàçûâàåòñÿ, íî ôàêò - ïðàçäíèê. Ïîòîìó ÷òî âûõîäíîé!  |
À ñêîëüêî â Ðîññèè âûõîäíûõ òåïåðü? Âîò ëåíòÿè, áëèí  _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ  |
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Sanchez Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

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À ñêîëüêî â Ðîññèè âûõîäíûõ òåïåðü? Âîò ëåíòÿè, áëèí  |
Îôèöèàëüíî âûõîäíîé - 1 ìàÿ. Â ýòîì ãîäó îòäûõàåì 1, 2, 3 ìàÿ, â âîñêðåñåíüå (4 ìàÿ) ðàáîòàåì çà ïÿòíèöó (2 ìàÿ).
À òàì äî 9 íåäàëåêî  _________________ No fate... |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð

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Íó ÷òî... Ñ ïðàçäíèêîì, äîðîãèå ôîðóì÷àíå! Ñ ïåðâûì ìàÿ!
Íå çíàþ, ÷òî ýòî òåïåðü çà ïðàçäíèê è êàê îí íàçûâàåòñÿ, íî ôàêò - ïðàçäíèê. Ïîòîìó ÷òî âûõîäíîé!  |
Âûõîäíîé? À ïî÷åìó ÿ òîãäà íà ðàáîòå ñèæó?
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À ýòî ïîòîìó ÷òî òû íå òàì, ãäå íàäî, æèâåøü.
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Íà äåìîíñòðàöèþ èäåøü? |
À ÷òî ìíå äåìîíñòðèðîâàòü?  |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð

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...Íå çíàþ, ÷òî ýòî òåïåðü çà ïðàçäíèê è êàê îí íàçûâàåòñÿ, íî ôàêò - ïðàçäíèê. Ïîòîìó ÷òî âûõîäíîé!  |
"Äåíü âåñíû è òðóäà" òåïåðü íàçûâàåòñÿ. Çäðàâñòâóé äà÷à è èçìàòûâàþùèé "îòäûõ" ñ ëîïàòîé â ðóêàõ  |
Íó ïî÷åìó îáÿçàòåëüíî ñ ëîïàòîé?
Ìîæíî îòäûõàòü ñ ìîòûãîé èëè ñ ãðàáëÿìè.  |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð

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Íå çíàþ, ÷òî ýòî òåïåðü çà ïðàçäíèê è êàê îí íàçûâàåòñÿ, íî ôàêò - ïðàçäíèê. Ïîòîìó ÷òî âûõîäíîé!  |
À ñêîëüêî â Ðîññèè âûõîäíûõ òåïåðü?
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Ïîíÿòèÿ íå èìåþ. Åñëè ãîâîðÿò, ÷òîá ÿ íà ðàáîòó íå ïðèõîäèë, ÿ íå ïðèõîæó. Íî ýòî êðàéíå ðåäêî áûâàåò, îáû÷íî äàæå â âûõîäíûå ñïàòü íå äàþò.
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Âîò ëåíòÿè, áëèí  |
Äà-à, ìû ñî ñòðàøíîé ñèëîé îáëåíèëèñü.  |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð

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À ñêîëüêî â Ðîññèè âûõîäíûõ òåïåðü? Âîò ëåíòÿè, áëèí  |
Îôèöèàëüíî âûõîäíîé - 1 ìàÿ. Â ýòîì ãîäó îòäûõàåì 1, 2, 3 ìàÿ, â âîñêðåñåíüå (4 ìàÿ) ðàáîòàåì çà ïÿòíèöó (2 ìàÿ).
À òàì äî 9 íåäàëåêî  |
Áàøêèðèÿ â âîñêðåñåíüå íå ðàáîòàåò. ß ñ÷èòàþ ýòî êîìïåíñàöèåé çà âñÿêèå äðóãèå íåõîðîøèå ïðèäóìêè ìåñòíûõ âëàñòåé.
Íî, ÷åñòíî ãîâîðÿ, ÷åãî-òî ìíå ýòè âûõîäíûå ñîâñåì íå â ðàäîñòü. Êàê-òî íàãëóõî òîñêëèâî. |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð

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| À ñêîëüêî â Ðîññèè âûõîäíûõ òåïåðü? |
À âîîáùå ÿ äàâíî õîòåë ïîñ÷èòàòü ÷èñëî âûõîäíûõ â Ðîññèè è â ÑØÀ. ×òîáû ñðàâíèòü.  Ðîññèè âûõîäíûõ áîëüøå, íî, ïîäîçðåâàþ, òîëüêî çà ñ÷åò äëèííûõ íîâîãîäíèõ êàíèêóë. Åñëè ýòè êàíèêóëû íå ñ÷èòàòü (âïðî÷åì, ìíîãèå ëþäè â ýòè äíè âñå ðàâíî ðàáîòàþò), òîãäà, ñêîðåå âñåãî, ÷èñëî äíåé áóäåò ïðèìåðíî îäèíàêîâûì. Ïîòîìó êàê 4 èþëÿ, äåíü áëàãîäàðåíèÿ è äðóãèå èñêîííî íåðóññêèå ïðàçäíèêè â Ðîññèè íå ïðàçäíóþò.  |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷

: 01.03.2003 : 10421 : Èðêóòñê, RU -> Los Angeles, US
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| À âîîáùå ÿ äàâíî õîòåë ïîñ÷èòàòü ÷èñëî âûõîäíûõ â Ðîññèè è â ÑØÀ. ×òîáû ñðàâíèòü. |
Äàâàé âìåñòå ïîñ÷èòàåì. Ñîãëàñíî ýòîé ññûëêå â Øòàòàõ åñòü ñëåäóþùèå ôåäåðàëüíûå ïðàçäíèêè:
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| New Year's Day, January 1st. |
Îäèí âûõîäíîé.
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| Birthday of Martin Luther King, third Monday in January. |
Íàñêîëüêî ïîìíþ, îòäûõàþò òîëüêî ãîñóäàðñòâåííûå ó÷ðåæäåíèÿ òèïà ïî÷òû. Òî åñòü, ïîëíîöåííûì âûõîäíûì íå áóäåì ñ÷èòàòü.
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| Inauguration Day, January 20th every four years, starting in 1937. |
×òî-òî íå ïðèïîìíþ òàêîãî ïðàçäíèêà...
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| Washington's Birthday, third Monday in February since 1971; prior to that year, it was celebrated on the traditional date of February 22. |
Òîæå íå ïîìíþ...
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| Inauguration Day, March 4th every four years, pre-1937. |
È ýòîãî íå ïîìíþ.
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| Armed Forces Day, third Saturday in May. |
È ýòîãî.
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| Memorial Day, last Monday in May since 1971; from 1868 to 1970 it was celebrated on May 30, and was called Decoration Day for part of that time. |
Æäåì ñ íåòåðïåíèåì, áóäåò âûõîäíîé
Íå ïîìíþ òàêîãî.
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| United States of America's Independence Day, July 4. |
×òî-òî ïðèïîìèíàþ òàêîå... Îäèí âûõîäíîé.
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| Labor Day, first Monday in September. |
Òîæå, âðîäå, âûõîäíîé - òî÷íî íå ïîìíþ.
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| Columbus Day, second Monday in October (federal holiday since 1971). |
×òî ýòî?
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| Election Day, Tuesday on or after November 2. |
Íå ïðèïîìíþ...
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| Veterans Day, November 11th (except from 1971 to 1977, inclusive, when it was celebrated on the fourth Monday in October; formerly known as Armistice). |
×åñòíî ãîâîðÿ, òîæå íå ïîìíþ - âûõîäíîé ëè ýòî.
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| Thanksgiving Day, fourth Thursday in November. |
Íó ýòî ïîíÿòíî, äåíü æåëóäêà Âðîäå îáû÷íî äâà âûõîäíûõ, ÷åòâåðã è ïÿòíèöà. Íî íå óâåðåí, ÷òî òàê ó âñåõ.
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| Christmas Day, December 25th. I have finally included this since it is a federal holiday, although it is not based on a secular holiday. |
Äåíü Ðîæäåíèÿ
Íåêîòîðûå êîìïàíèè óñòðàèâàþò îòïóñê ñâîèì ñîòðóäíèêàì ñ 25 äåêàáðÿ ïî 1 ÿíâàðÿ. Íî ýòî çàâèñèò îò âèäà äåÿòåëüíîñòè êîìïàíèè, êîíå÷íî. È äàëåêî íå âñå. Òàê ÷òî áóäåì ñ÷èòàòü, ÷òî åùå îäèí äåíü âûõîäíîé.
Èòîãî íàñ÷èòàë 5 âûõîäíûõ, â êîòîðûõ óâåðåí - åñëè ÷òî, ìåíÿ èñïðàâÿò. Ïîäîçðåâàÿ, ÷òî èõ íåìíîãî áîëüøå. Ïðîñòî çàáûë ÷òî è êîãäà îòìå÷àåòñÿ. Ñëàâà è Äæîðäæ ñäàâàëè ýêçàìåí íà ãðàæäàíñòâî íå òàê äàâíî, èì ãðåõ íå çíàòü  _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ  |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà

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| Inauguration Day, January 20th every four years, starting in 1937. |
×òî-òî íå ïðèïîìíþ òàêîãî ïðàçäíèêà... |
Òû ïðîñòî ìàëåíüêèé åùå. Î÷åðåäíîé áóäåò â ñëåäóþùåì ãîäó. Ýòî ïðàçäíèê âñòóïëåíèÿ íà ïîñò íîâîãî ïðåçäèíòà.
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Íå ïîìíþ òàêîãî. |
À ÿ åãî â ïðîøëîì ãîäó ïðàçäíîâàë. Ìíå êîãäà-òî, êòî-òî ïîäàðèë ãàëñòóê ðàñøèòûé çâåçäàìè è ïîëîñàìè - ÿ åãî â ïðîøëîì ãîäó â ýòîò äåíü íîñèë. Âîò.
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| Columbus Day, second Monday in October (federal holiday since 1971). |
×òî ýòî? |
Ïðàçäíèê òàêîé. Ãóëÿþò íå âñå. Íî ó íàñ â ÍÉ áóäåò ïàðàä. Íà êîòîðîì ÿ áûë âñåãî îäíàæäû - â ïåðâûé ãîä òîëüêî ïî ïðèåçäó, êîãäà áûë åùå áåçðàáîòíûì. Âèäåë Êëèíòîíøó æèâüåì Îíà òîãäà åùå òîëüêî ñåíàòîðîì ñòàëà...
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| Íåêîòîðûå êîìïàíèè óñòðàèâàþò îòïóñê ñâîèì ñîòðóäíèêàì ñ 25 äåêàáðÿ ïî 1 ÿíâàðÿ. Íî ýòî çàâèñèò îò âèäà äåÿòåëüíîñòè êîìïàíèè, êîíå÷íî. È äàëåêî íå âñå. Òàê ÷òî áóäåì ñ÷èòàòü, ÷òî åùå îäèí äåíü âûõîäíîé. |
À â òåõ êîìïàíèÿõ ãäå âûõîäíûõ íå óñòðàèâàþò - ëþäè áåðóò îòïóñê.  ëþáîì ñëó÷àå ïîñëåäíÿÿ íåäåëÿ äåêàáðÿ ýòî ïîëóâûìåðøèå îôèñû.
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Èòîãî íàñ÷èòàë 5 âûõîäíûõ, â êîòîðûõ óâåðåí - åñëè ÷òî, ìåíÿ èñïðàâÿò. Ïîäîçðåâàÿ, ÷òî èõ íåìíîãî áîëüøå. Ïðîñòî çàáûë ÷òî è êîãäà îòìå÷àåòñÿ. Ñëàâà è Äæîðäæ ñäàâàëè ýêçàìåí íà ãðàæäàíñòâî íå òàê äàâíî, èì ãðåõ íå çíàòü  |
Âî ïåðâûõ, íà ýêçàìåíå ïðàçäíèêè ïåðå÷èñëÿòü íå ïðîñÿò. À âî âòîðûõ, ýòî áûëî ÷åðò çíàåò êîãäà.
À âîîáùå âîò, ìîå ðàñïèñàíèå ïðàçäíèêîâ: http://www.hr.columbia.edu/hr/holidaycalendar/holidays/holidays2008/index.html
Èòîãî 10 äíåé â 2008-îì. |
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Andrew Ãëàâíûé òðåïà÷

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Òû ïðîñòî ìàëåíüêèé åùå. Î÷åðåäíîé áóäåò â ñëåäóþùåì ãîäó. Ýòî ïðàçäíèê âñòóïëåíèÿ íà ïîñò íîâîãî ïðåçäèíòà. |
Ïîíÿòíî. Äóìàþ, ñ÷èòàòü åãî çà ïîëíîöåííûé ïðàçäíèê íå ñòîèò, ëèáî ñ÷èòàòü êàê ÷åòâåðòü âûõîäíîãî äíÿ
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| À ÿ åãî â ïðîøëîì ãîäó ïðàçäíîâàë. Ìíå êîãäà-òî, êòî-òî ïîäàðèë ãàëñòóê ðàñøèòûé çâåçäàìè è ïîëîñàìè - ÿ åãî â ïðîøëîì ãîäó â ýòîò äåíü íîñèë. Âîò. |
Âñÿ ñòðàíà âåäü íå îòäûõàåò, êàê ïîíèìàþ?
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| Ïðàçäíèê òàêîé. Ãóëÿþò íå âñå. |
Çíà÷èò òîæå íå ñ÷èòàåò êàê îáùåíàöèîíàëüíûé, ðàç íå âñå.
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Âèäåë Êëèíòîíøó æèâüåì Îíà òîãäà åùå òîëüêî ñåíàòîðîì ñòàëà... |
Æåíà òîæå âèäåëà åå, êîãäà â Âàøèíãòîíå æèëà - ãîâîðèò, ÷òî âûãëÿäåëà î÷åíü óñòàëîé, çàìó÷åííîé è ñòàðîé
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| Âî ïåðâûõ, íà ýêçàìåíå ïðàçäíèêè ïåðå÷èñëÿòü íå ïðîñÿò. |
ß äóìàë ïðîñÿò.
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| Èòîãî 10 äíåé â 2008-îì. |
 ñðåäíåì ïîëó÷àåòñÿ 7,5 ïîêà (ÿ íàñ÷èòàë 5, è òû 10) . _________________ Àíäðåé Ãåðàñèìîâ  |
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White Owl Øòàòíûé çàíóäà

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| Èòîãî 10 äíåé â 2008-îì. |
 ñðåäíåì ïîëó÷àåòñÿ 7,5 ïîêà (ÿ íàñ÷èòàë 5, è òû 10) . |
ß íå ñ÷èòàë. Ýòî íàø HR ñ÷èòàë. À ÿ âñåãî-ëèøü áóäó ïî ýòèì ÷èñëàì ãóëÿòü  |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð

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| À ÿ, íàâåðíîå, íà ðàáîòå ïîñ÷èòàþ. Òàì åñòü âñÿêèå íîðìàòèâíûå äîêóìåíòû, êàëåíäàðè è ò.ä. |
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Sanchez Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

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Ïî êàëåíäàðþ êðàñíûì îòìå÷åíî:
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7 ÿíâàðÿ - íîâîãîäíèå ïðàçäíèêè è Ðîæäåñòâî, à âîò 6 ÿíâàðÿ íå îòìå÷åíî, íî âñå-ðàâíî îòäûõàåò âñÿ Ðîññèÿ - â ñâÿçè ñ ïîïàäàíèåì îäíîãî èç ïðàçäíè÷íûõ äíåé íà âûõîäíîé äåíü, èç ÷åãî ñëåäóåò ïåðåíîñ ïðàçäíè÷íîãî
23 ôåâðàëÿ :military:
8 ìàðòà
1, 9 ìàÿ
12 èþíÿ (èç äíÿ íåçàâèñèìîñòè Ðîññèè ïåðåèìåíîâàëè âî ÷òî-òî äðóãîå).
4 íîÿáðÿ - äåíü îñâîáîæäåíèÿ îò ïîëüñêîé èíòåðâåíöèè, íàçûâàåòñÿ "Äåíü ïðèìåðåíèÿ è ñîãëàñèÿ"
À âîò 12 äåêàáðÿ, Äåíü êîíñòèòóöèè, îòìåíèëè.
Èòîãî - 12 ïðàçäíè÷íûõ äíåé + åùå ïåðåíîñû ðàçëè÷íûå, 15-16 âûõîäèò íàâåðíîå _________________ No fate... |
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Àðòåì Ìîäåðàòîð

: 10.03.2003 : 8295 : Russia, Ufa
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| Òî åñòü, ðîññèÿíå, åñëè èçìåðÿòü ïî êîëè÷åñòâó ïðàçäíè÷íûõ âûõîäíûõ, ëåíòÿéíåå, íî íåíàìíîãî. Îñîáåííî åñëè ó÷åñòü, ÷òî ñ 1 ïî 7 ÿíâàðÿ îòäûõàþò íå âñå (íàïðèìåð, òðàíñïîðò, ìàãàçèíû, ïèùåâûå ïðîèçâîäñòâà è 40-50% èõ îôèñíûõ ñîòðóäíèêîâ - âñå ýòè ëþäè ðàáîòàþò), òî ïîëó÷àåòñÿ âîîáùå 1:1. |
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Genady Íîâè÷îê

: 28.01.2004 : 19 : Western Mass,USA
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: , 2, 2008 11:05am : |
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United States Legal Federal Holidays
Federal Legal Holidays 2008
• January 1, 2008: New Year's Day [Jan. 1 every year]
• January 21, 2008: Martin Luther King Day [3rd monday in Jan]
• February 18, 2008: Presidents Day (observed) [3rd monday in Feb]
note: Presidents Day is also Washington's Birthday (observed)
• May 26, 2008: Memorial Day (observed) [last monday in May]
• July 4, 2008: Independence Day [July 4 every year]
• September 1, 2008: Labor Day [1st monday in Sept]
• October 13, 2008: Columbus Day (observed) [2nd monday in Oct]
• November 11, 2008: Veterans' Day [Nov. 11 every year]
• November 27, 2008: Thanksgiving Day [4th thursday in Nov]
• December 25, 2008: Christmas Day [Dec. 25 every year]
http://www.madmanmike.com/us_holidays_dates.html
P.S. In addition, state can have own days off.
I have in MA, Patriot's day- April 21.
Also your employer can provide days off: this year-Day After Thanksgivin- November 28.
Day After Christmas- December 26.
Total days off, in my case and this year -11. |
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Debaser Æèòåëü ôîðóìà

: 28.03.2003 : 941 : Cleveland, OH
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Êàê èçâåñòíî, ôåäåðàëüíûå ïðàçäíèêè ðàáîòîäàòåëÿì - íå óêàç. Êàæäûé ðàáîòîäàòåëü äàåò (èëè íå äàåò) ïðàçäíè÷íûõ äíåé ñêîëüêî õî÷åò è êîãäà õî÷åò, ÊÇÎÒà òóò íåòó. Ó íàñ íà ðàáîòå 11 ïðàçäíè÷íûõ äíåé â ãîäó. Íà ýòîò ãîä ðàñïèñàíèå òàêîå:
Jan 1 - New Year's Day
March 21 - Good Friday
May 26 - Memorial Day
July 4 - Independence Day
Sept 1 - Labor Day
Nov 27 - Thanksgiving Day
Nov 28 - Day after Thanksgiving (aka Black Friday)
Dec 24 - Christmas Eve Day
Dec 25 - Christmas Day
Dec 26 - Floating Holiday
Dec 31 - New Year's Eve _________________
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